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You know what? Ron has his faults, but damn if "All this has happened before, and it will happen again" is not the best phrase EVER for fandom.
For example:
- oh look! Adrianne Palicki is rumored to be coming back for a guest appearance on Supernatural. Instead of the joy across the land this SHOULD bring, or even curiosity, there are, of course, a gaggle of people who have judged this is a bad thing. What a shock.
- oh look! Warnings ver. 3 million. I'd link but it's all over![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-community.gif)
metafandom. This is the first time I've heard the "privilege" word getting bandied about so much though. Yeah, there's another word that's going to get sucked dry very soon from overuse. Fandom sure does like using its big hammers lately, which makes it all that much more tiring, I think, and certainly takes a one-way trip to wank where nobody listens and nobody's discussing anything, just stating policy positions and trying very hard to back the other side into a corner of PURE EVIL.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
I slept horribly, have a headache, dumped kiddo at my parents, and fandom is being a drag. It must be summer.
Thank god for killer robots, and plans for double dating to Public Enemies. OH yes, hubby was adorable. "You want to go, right?" -- "Um, hon, which part of Johnny Depp and Christian Bale shooting guns in fedoras did you miss?"
For example:
- oh look! Adrianne Palicki is rumored to be coming back for a guest appearance on Supernatural. Instead of the joy across the land this SHOULD bring, or even curiosity, there are, of course, a gaggle of people who have judged this is a bad thing. What a shock.
- oh look! Warnings ver. 3 million. I'd link but it's all over
metafandom. This is the first time I've heard the "privilege" word getting bandied about so much though. Yeah, there's another word that's going to get sucked dry very soon from overuse. Fandom sure does like using its big hammers lately, which makes it all that much more tiring, I think, and certainly takes a one-way trip to wank where nobody listens and nobody's discussing anything, just stating policy positions and trying very hard to back the other side into a corner of PURE EVIL. Lather, rinse, repeat.
I slept horribly, have a headache, dumped kiddo at my parents, and fandom is being a drag. It must be summer.
Thank god for killer robots, and plans for double dating to Public Enemies. OH yes, hubby was adorable. "You want to go, right?" -- "Um, hon, which part of Johnny Depp and Christian Bale shooting guns in fedoras did you miss?"
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What I've seen is 'I think you're conflating squick with trigger. Triggering is..." and detailing what causes it and the consequences thereof.
It is about warnings, but no, it's not the same old same old and I think it's probably a mistake for fandom to write it off as such. Especially as, since, yes, we just came out of Racefail and its lessons re: the idea of silencing someone's voice for our own comfort/ease.
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There's a lot of outrage, but there's been just as much "i don't want to talk about this" and "this doesn't affect me" or "my friend was raped and my lack of warnings doesn't bother her so -" not to mention the extra special folks telling people like
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right. shutting up now. sorry.
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*chortles* INDEED!
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*spams*
"Every year, it's the same," Marigold the dragon told Leland Adama. She shifted a little on her nest, and then sniffled a little, sending the stench of sulphur into the room.
Leland, for his part, stayed in his corner, wishing that the townspeople hadn't trussed him up quite so thoroughly. Perhaps if he humored her... "Every year?" he prompted, wondering how an evil, pillaging dragon had come to be named Marigold.
"They don't ask, you know. They just assume--" she tapped a claw and snorted, "As though I'm a common, trouble-making dragon without their... pittances.
"It's all that bloody St. George's fault, I say," continued the dragon, not needing prompting anymore. She wasn't quite in full spate, but Leland could see the slight glow to the edges of her scales. She was obviously working herself up to something. "Had to run afoul of my cousin Astrid, and she just HAD to let him kill her."
Marigold sniffed, making it clear she would never be caught in such a pickle.
"And then of course, what could the rest of us do but hide even more? And even then, there's those that'll come after dragons with pitchforks and mobs," Marigold's talons tapped an annoyed tattoo on the stone of her nest. "Even those what do nothin' get 'em. Or we get stupid tributes and virgins once a year--usually cut-throats and trouble-makers the village wants off their hands."
"I'm not--"
"Sometimes, we actually get virgins," conceded the dragon.
Leland had the grace to blush.
It wasn't that he liked being a virgin, it was that he simply hadn't found the right woman who matched his exceedingly long list of qualifications to give that virginity to. Really, his virginity, in the end, had little to do with his current predicament, and he considered telling Marigold that.
But she was ranting again.
"It's always knights come to save the fair maiden, or wizards who want scales for spells, or rather bumbling heroes who have rewards to collect. Almost enough to make a good dragon reconsider her morals," grumped Marigold.
"What do you do with them, then?" Leland asked, suddenly rather curious. The dragon's chamber was large and littered with dust and rocks and bits of shiny debris, but he couldn't see anything that looked like piles of bones or leftovers from virgin meals. Perhaps there was hope for him yet.
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*hearts*
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game. Um I meant date.From:
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Fandom sure does like using its big hammers lately, which makes it all that much more tiring, I think, and certainly takes a one-way trip to wank where nobody listens and nobody's discussing anything, just stating policy positions and trying very hard to back the other side into a corner of PURE EVIL.
Oh god yeah. I mean, I really don't want to diminish the issue of triggering rape survivors, and I'm personally glad that there's this convention of warning for rape, because unless I trust the author to handle it responsibly (like I know you and a few others would), I don't want to read it. I just find it really offensive, especially when it's stuff like "Laura needs Tigh to save her from hypothermia by frakking her while she's unconscious" type stuff. *shudders* But the way that everything in the discussion is given that exact same level of weight, and everyone on the "wrong side" is castigated as if they'd committed some crime as opposed to held an opinion you disagree with... wow.
Luckily this stuff doesn't come up in BSG fandom afaik, with the exception of the obvious notion that you should warn for graphic rape. Maybe because the canon is so prone to doing things like killing characters or having people cheat on each other that people who can't be exposed to that sort of thing aren't watching? I mean "bandom," Stargate, etc are all comparatively fluffier, right?
*worries*
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Why must you remind me of these things?
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*but I did*
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I think my perspective is skewed because I'm just now reading the whole thing backwards, as it were. So I saw the posts/comments saying "hey, I warn for consent issues, but it's unreasonable to expect warnings for everything anyone could possibly be offended by, including the presence of characters they don't like," thought "yeah, that makes sense," saw all the outrage they incurred... without knowing this whole thing started because someone posted a dub-con story without a warning, and then other people got offended on her behalf after she handled the whole thing gracefully. I'm just now getting the back story.
I guess I do wish that the IMO crystal-clear issue of warning for rape, or "consent issues," be a separate conversation from the issue of whether people should also warn for things like death of a character or "partner betrayal." (Partner betrayal? 2/3 of Kara/Lee fanfic would need a warning! *g*) It's just not fair to either side of the debate./tl;dr
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Kara/Zak all the way?
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Whatever, I'm just glad BSG fandom was a relatively quiet and far less dramatic place. I don't understand how the already-forgotten actions of one person in an obscure fandom can suddenly turn into a huge overly-academic screaming match between parties who weren't even involved in the first place.
Sorry, that's the last I'll say about it in poor
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you know, you bring up a good point, and maybe it explains why I'm DONE with this round. I just don't see fics that aren't warned. AFAIK even this particular go-round got kicked off by ONE fic without a warning on a comm that required one (so fail on courtesy and even simple rule reading). I see fics that have warnings, or authors who say they don't warn, so caveat lector. And if someone else comes from a place in fandom where the convention is different (like, warning for cheating? WTF? I'm not warning for that in BSG fandom *snort*), then someone can tell them. Maybe there is a massive shortfall in warnings someplace, but not in my fandoms, so I just don't get why it has to blow up into the same damn thing as always.
Except it's summer and fandom needs a new topic. (Slash and/or the Misogyny thereof, in August, that's my pick)
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As for the wrnings thing, I started reading, and then I backspaced the hell out of there after my second headdesk moment. Life's too short. Sometimes yuo have to pick your battles.
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And I should probably not read meta links on those days, no.
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I hope your headache has disapeared now (though i think you're probably in bed sleeping right now.
LMAO Wurd. Glad to see Im not the only one to like feodras. (I blame all those movies happening in the 30-50's for this obsession)
*nods*
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TOO TRUE. *g*