All this has happened before...

[lizardbeth]

You know what? Ron has his faults, but damn if "All this has happened before, and it will happen again" is not the best phrase EVER for fandom.

For example:

- oh look! Adrianne Palicki is rumored to be coming back for a guest appearance on Supernatural. Instead of the joy across the land this SHOULD bring, or even curiosity, there are, of course, a gaggle of people who have judged this is a bad thing. What a shock.

- oh look! Warnings ver. 3 million. I'd link but it's all over metafandom. This is the first time I've heard the "privilege" word getting bandied about so much though. Yeah, there's another word that's going to get sucked dry very soon from overuse. Fandom sure does like using its big hammers lately, which makes it all that much more tiring, I think, and certainly takes a one-way trip to wank where nobody listens and nobody's discussing anything, just stating policy positions and trying very hard to back the other side into a corner of PURE EVIL.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

I slept horribly, have a headache, dumped kiddo at my parents, and fandom is being a drag. It must be summer.

Thank god for killer robots, and plans for double dating to Public Enemies. OH yes, hubby was adorable. "You want to go, right?" -- "Um, hon, which part of Johnny Depp and Christian Bale shooting guns in fedoras did you miss?"

Comments

[frolicndetour.livejournal.com]

And here's where Still Bitter Girl has to point out that "all of this has happened before" is actually from Peter Pan, not He Who Must Not Be Named. ;) Just kidding; it is so very apt for so many things.

Fandom sure does like using its big hammers lately, which makes it all that much more tiring, I think, and certainly takes a one-way trip to wank where nobody listens and nobody's discussing anything, just stating policy positions and trying very hard to back the other side into a corner of PURE EVIL.

Oh god yeah. I mean, I really don't want to diminish the issue of triggering rape survivors, and I'm personally glad that there's this convention of warning for rape, because unless I trust the author to handle it responsibly (like I know you and a few others would), I don't want to read it. I just find it really offensive, especially when it's stuff like "Laura needs Tigh to save her from hypothermia by frakking her while she's unconscious" type stuff. *shudders* But the way that everything in the discussion is given that exact same level of weight, and everyone on the "wrong side" is castigated as if they'd committed some crime as opposed to held an opinion you disagree with... wow.

Luckily this stuff doesn't come up in BSG fandom afaik, with the exception of the obvious notion that you should warn for graphic rape. Maybe because the canon is so prone to doing things like killing characters or having people cheat on each other that people who can't be exposed to that sort of thing aren't watching? I mean "bandom," Stargate, etc are all comparatively fluffier, right?

*worries*

[nicole-anell.livejournal.com]

Laura needs Tigh to save her from hypothermia by frakking her while she's unconscious
Why must you remind me of these things?

[frolicndetour.livejournal.com]

I AM SORRY. I should have warned - this comment may be triggering to survivors of extreme badfic.

[nicole-anell.livejournal.com]

*shouldn't snerk*

*but I did*

[frolicndetour.livejournal.com]

Ha, I'm glad, because I just read the serious, thoughtful comments upthread and... was really wishing I'd read them before I decided a little tasteless humor was the way to go. *cringe*

I think my perspective is skewed because I'm just now reading the whole thing backwards, as it were. So I saw the posts/comments saying "hey, I warn for consent issues, but it's unreasonable to expect warnings for everything anyone could possibly be offended by, including the presence of characters they don't like," thought "yeah, that makes sense," saw all the outrage they incurred... without knowing this whole thing started because someone posted a dub-con story without a warning, and then other people got offended on her behalf after she handled the whole thing gracefully. I'm just now getting the back story.

I guess I do wish that the IMO crystal-clear issue of warning for rape, or "consent issues," be a separate conversation from the issue of whether people should also warn for things like death of a character or "partner betrayal." (Partner betrayal? 2/3 of Kara/Lee fanfic would need a warning! *g*) It's just not fair to either side of the debate./tl;dr

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

(Partner betrayal? 2/3 of Kara/Lee fanfic would need a warning! *g*)

Kara/Zak all the way?

[nicole-anell.livejournal.com]

*nods* Agreed. I eventually walked away from the giant internet blow-up of the moment, because it got wanky and frustrating all around (of course). But FWIW a big part of the drama came from some people clearly stating that there's a difference between triggers and squicks, and yet other people still refused to make that distinction and acted like they were talking about every frivolous thing that might bother someone.

Whatever, I'm just glad BSG fandom was a relatively quiet and far less dramatic place. I don't understand how the already-forgotten actions of one person in an obscure fandom can suddenly turn into a huge overly-academic screaming match between parties who weren't even involved in the first place.

Sorry, that's the last I'll say about it in poor lizardbeth_j's journal. HOW ABOUT THAT JOHNNY DEPP?

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

I WISH I DID NOT KNOW.

[lizardbeth-j.livejournal.com]

Peter Pan! whatev. *waves hand* :P

you know, you bring up a good point, and maybe it explains why I'm DONE with this round. I just don't see fics that aren't warned. AFAIK even this particular go-round got kicked off by ONE fic without a warning on a comm that required one (so fail on courtesy and even simple rule reading). I see fics that have warnings, or authors who say they don't warn, so caveat lector. And if someone else comes from a place in fandom where the convention is different (like, warning for cheating? WTF? I'm not warning for that in BSG fandom *snort*), then someone can tell them. Maybe there is a massive shortfall in warnings someplace, but not in my fandoms, so I just don't get why it has to blow up into the same damn thing as always.

Except it's summer and fandom needs a new topic. (Slash and/or the Misogyny thereof, in August, that's my pick)