All this has happened before...

[lizardbeth]

You know what? Ron has his faults, but damn if "All this has happened before, and it will happen again" is not the best phrase EVER for fandom.

For example:

- oh look! Adrianne Palicki is rumored to be coming back for a guest appearance on Supernatural. Instead of the joy across the land this SHOULD bring, or even curiosity, there are, of course, a gaggle of people who have judged this is a bad thing. What a shock.

- oh look! Warnings ver. 3 million. I'd link but it's all over metafandom. This is the first time I've heard the "privilege" word getting bandied about so much though. Yeah, there's another word that's going to get sucked dry very soon from overuse. Fandom sure does like using its big hammers lately, which makes it all that much more tiring, I think, and certainly takes a one-way trip to wank where nobody listens and nobody's discussing anything, just stating policy positions and trying very hard to back the other side into a corner of PURE EVIL.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

I slept horribly, have a headache, dumped kiddo at my parents, and fandom is being a drag. It must be summer.

Thank god for killer robots, and plans for double dating to Public Enemies. OH yes, hubby was adorable. "You want to go, right?" -- "Um, hon, which part of Johnny Depp and Christian Bale shooting guns in fedoras did you miss?"

Comments

[medie]

...actually, in this situation, I think the use of privilege is highly appropriate. I also don't think this time, it's fair to call this the same old debate re: warnings. We've had people who've survived some very horrific sexual traumas come forward and state in detail why not putting a note about consent issues on a story containing them causes them real and genuine trauma, and then being told by larger groups to shush, because they really don't want to deal with it right now. it harshes their squee, *insert reason here* and no, I also don't think this is about them going "Omg, you are EVOL."

What I've seen is 'I think you're conflating squick with trigger. Triggering is..." and detailing what causes it and the consequences thereof.

It is about warnings, but no, it's not the same old same old and I think it's probably a mistake for fandom to write it off as such. Especially as, since, yes, we just came out of Racefail and its lessons re: the idea of silencing someone's voice for our own comfort/ease.

[nicole-anell.livejournal.com]

I agree with this. Except that from my perspective it doesn't seem like larger groups are telling them to shush. It seems like a pretty strong majority is on the side of survivors and warning-positive people, a handful of obnoxious folks are telling them to shush and stop complaining, and those folks are getting hit with the full fury of multifandom outrage. Which I'm pretty okay with, except the whole thing taken together makes for really depressing reading.

[medie]

Oh I've seen it. queenofhell has a very detailed post on the derailing techniques that have cropped up. All of them are recognizable from discussion with racefail, but are being used in the terms of this debate. said post Worse yet? Some of the people using these techniques were major players in Racefail and spent a lot of time educating people on their privilege re: racism.

There's a lot of outrage, but there's been just as much "i don't want to talk about this" and "this doesn't affect me" or "my friend was raped and my lack of warnings doesn't bother her so -" not to mention the extra special folks telling people like impertinence that she's lying about either being sexually assaulted at all or exaggerating the actual severity.

[medie]

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right. shutting up now. sorry.