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TWO HOURS LEFT! (or really only 85 minutes, or thereabouts. cheaters.) *CRIES*
"All this has happened before...."
That's what the flashbacks are showing us, I think. The flashbacks show us where these characters started. And you'll notice, if you look, that where they started looks an awful lot like where they're about to end:
THEN and NOW:
Roslin: she had to bear the loss of her close-knit family. (I'd wonder if this doesn't mean Laura's going to outlive Bill and Co, except we've already seen the flashback of Laura's cancer diagnosis, which maybe serves as a sort of second half to tonight.) But how wonderful was she with her sisters?
Kara: loved a man, who is about to die (is dead), and Lee was there, wishing it was him.
Lee: wanted to get a flying bird/pilot out of his house/heart, and caused destruction by failing. (The bird could also be Zak, who was also a pilot and whose death caused such misery to his house, but I think it's Kara).
Bill: about to leave Galactica
Gaius: was desperately searching for approval from a man who didn't believe he had changed
Caprica: wanted to help a father reunite with his child.
Sam: was in a bathtub then, and hey, guess what? (and damn you, Ron, I would love his love for physics, except it obviously means we're not getting him back. You want us to believe he would WANT to stay a fucking hybrid and see the perfection of the universe or whatever. IT'S STILL HORRIBLE) But I'm glad we got to hear him talk like a normal person (er, kind of. That still wasn't quite Sam, really, because Ron was trying too hard), but at least he had his hair back and shirtlessness is always acceptable.
So it's all part of the circularity of the theme. I suspect there'll be another round of flashbacks that will really drive it home. Baltar will get off his ass and visit his father, and in the now, he'll go with the mission; Lee will let the bird fly free and finally let Kara go, in some significant way (either he or she dies, I think. I kinda want Kara and Sam to take the ship out in a blaze of glory together, because otherwise I think he stays a hybrid but she stays with him, and that would just be too tragic for me. Which is why that's what's going to happen. Remember, Jacob's rule of BSG: EVERYTHING YOU WANT IN THE WORST POSSIBLE WAY. Trufax. I forgot for awhile and have since regretted it deeply. "You want Kara to admit her love for Sam? Okay, here you go!" ... "I TAKE IT BACK!")
Anyway, that's how I'm interpreting the flashbacks for now. But yes, I like them - I like backstory tidbits generally anyway, I like the symbolism and even the edge of destiny about them, that everything these characters were then, is what they have become again, even though they've changed so much in between. We'll see what next week brings.
Other thoughts about the ep, now that I've done my Very Important Thinky Thoughts:
- Athena and Helo - please be okay? please find Hera and be okay? You're killing me.
- I guess they don't have any salt left, or they'd be using that instead of tape. But still, love that. And I love Roslin practically staggering her way down the line. gods. Everyone was watching her too - I doubt that Adama would've gotten as many people if she hadn't shown up.
- Bill, don't be such a coward and talk to Sam your own frakking self. You think it's any easier for Kara to see her HUSBAND in there? jeez, suck it up. And also your attempt at comfort comes too late. It would've been nice for you to drop by Sam's bedside while she was there, every single damn day for weeks, and offer some support then.
- the passing of the word about the mission was great.
- Racetrack and Skulls, thank you for being useful again. Though, y'know, I was kind of hoping you were gonna get caught in the black hole's gravitational field and die tragically. too bad.
- the "three generations of Adamas" was a lovely meta moment, though it kind of cracked me up too. (what? you know Hotdog totally is Bill's love child.)
- Ishay wants to go rescue Hera on a probable suicide mission? O RLY? (how funny would it be if, at the end, Lee and Ishay are some of the only people left and he takes her hand? Hee. ok, I know it won't happen, but still, that promo of them was awfully cute. And I notice Kerry was in the front credits.)
- oh and also, y'know all the bottle shows for the last few eps? yeah, that was to pay off all the cast they needed for this finale. (except for Leoben. damn it. They're not going to have the finale and not have CKR come back at all, are they? *sad* did all the Twos kill themselves when they realized Kara was way out of their league or what?)
- poor Tory, she has nothing to do. Why couldn't SHE be the one in the goo bath? That'd give her something to do and we could have Sam and Kara being all badass together, taking out Cavil.
- Chief. Kinda hating you right now. STFU.
- "a bunch of dots". hahahahaha. John Cavil is a pathological planner, but he is not as smart as he thinks he is. But yay, Simon and Doral are back - even if they still have no perceptible personalities. bummer.
- unlike the last two eps I didn't feel like important bits were left on the cutting room floor. The only obvious missing piece was Bill and Kara talking to "Sam", but its absence didn't really bother me.
- oh, and Hoshi. Was anyone else filled with forboding when Tigh cracked about him becoming admiral? Because you know who SHOULD be admiral if Bill and Tigh are gone -- Helo. Hoshi would only be next if Helo's not there. crap. Also the symbolism of Hoshi trying to clean up the mess? hmm...
Next week: JUMP! (ok, I kinda want to see Trucco do that orgasmic thing, I admit)
And then I watched my Bruins get their asses kicked. damn it, team!
ETA: Apparently many parentheses died in the making of this post. my bad.
"All this has happened before...."
That's what the flashbacks are showing us, I think. The flashbacks show us where these characters started. And you'll notice, if you look, that where they started looks an awful lot like where they're about to end:
THEN and NOW:
Roslin: she had to bear the loss of her close-knit family. (I'd wonder if this doesn't mean Laura's going to outlive Bill and Co, except we've already seen the flashback of Laura's cancer diagnosis, which maybe serves as a sort of second half to tonight.) But how wonderful was she with her sisters?
Kara: loved a man, who is about to die (is dead), and Lee was there, wishing it was him.
Lee: wanted to get a flying bird/pilot out of his house/heart, and caused destruction by failing. (The bird could also be Zak, who was also a pilot and whose death caused such misery to his house, but I think it's Kara).
Bill: about to leave Galactica
Gaius: was desperately searching for approval from a man who didn't believe he had changed
Caprica: wanted to help a father reunite with his child.
Sam: was in a bathtub then, and hey, guess what? (and damn you, Ron, I would love his love for physics, except it obviously means we're not getting him back. You want us to believe he would WANT to stay a fucking hybrid and see the perfection of the universe or whatever. IT'S STILL HORRIBLE) But I'm glad we got to hear him talk like a normal person (er, kind of. That still wasn't quite Sam, really, because Ron was trying too hard), but at least he had his hair back and shirtlessness is always acceptable.
So it's all part of the circularity of the theme. I suspect there'll be another round of flashbacks that will really drive it home. Baltar will get off his ass and visit his father, and in the now, he'll go with the mission; Lee will let the bird fly free and finally let Kara go, in some significant way (either he or she dies, I think. I kinda want Kara and Sam to take the ship out in a blaze of glory together, because otherwise I think he stays a hybrid but she stays with him, and that would just be too tragic for me. Which is why that's what's going to happen. Remember, Jacob's rule of BSG: EVERYTHING YOU WANT IN THE WORST POSSIBLE WAY. Trufax. I forgot for awhile and have since regretted it deeply. "You want Kara to admit her love for Sam? Okay, here you go!" ... "I TAKE IT BACK!")
Anyway, that's how I'm interpreting the flashbacks for now. But yes, I like them - I like backstory tidbits generally anyway, I like the symbolism and even the edge of destiny about them, that everything these characters were then, is what they have become again, even though they've changed so much in between. We'll see what next week brings.
Other thoughts about the ep, now that I've done my Very Important Thinky Thoughts:
- Athena and Helo - please be okay? please find Hera and be okay? You're killing me.
- I guess they don't have any salt left, or they'd be using that instead of tape. But still, love that. And I love Roslin practically staggering her way down the line. gods. Everyone was watching her too - I doubt that Adama would've gotten as many people if she hadn't shown up.
- Bill, don't be such a coward and talk to Sam your own frakking self. You think it's any easier for Kara to see her HUSBAND in there? jeez, suck it up. And also your attempt at comfort comes too late. It would've been nice for you to drop by Sam's bedside while she was there, every single damn day for weeks, and offer some support then.
- the passing of the word about the mission was great.
- Racetrack and Skulls, thank you for being useful again. Though, y'know, I was kind of hoping you were gonna get caught in the black hole's gravitational field and die tragically. too bad.
- the "three generations of Adamas" was a lovely meta moment, though it kind of cracked me up too. (what? you know Hotdog totally is Bill's love child.)
- Ishay wants to go rescue Hera on a probable suicide mission? O RLY? (how funny would it be if, at the end, Lee and Ishay are some of the only people left and he takes her hand? Hee. ok, I know it won't happen, but still, that promo of them was awfully cute. And I notice Kerry was in the front credits.)
- oh and also, y'know all the bottle shows for the last few eps? yeah, that was to pay off all the cast they needed for this finale. (except for Leoben. damn it. They're not going to have the finale and not have CKR come back at all, are they? *sad* did all the Twos kill themselves when they realized Kara was way out of their league or what?)
- poor Tory, she has nothing to do. Why couldn't SHE be the one in the goo bath? That'd give her something to do and we could have Sam and Kara being all badass together, taking out Cavil.
- Chief. Kinda hating you right now. STFU.
- "a bunch of dots". hahahahaha. John Cavil is a pathological planner, but he is not as smart as he thinks he is. But yay, Simon and Doral are back - even if they still have no perceptible personalities. bummer.
- unlike the last two eps I didn't feel like important bits were left on the cutting room floor. The only obvious missing piece was Bill and Kara talking to "Sam", but its absence didn't really bother me.
- oh, and Hoshi. Was anyone else filled with forboding when Tigh cracked about him becoming admiral? Because you know who SHOULD be admiral if Bill and Tigh are gone -- Helo. Hoshi would only be next if Helo's not there. crap. Also the symbolism of Hoshi trying to clean up the mess? hmm...
Next week: JUMP! (ok, I kinda want to see Trucco do that orgasmic thing, I admit)
And then I watched my Bruins get their asses kicked. damn it, team!
ETA: Apparently many parentheses died in the making of this post. my bad.
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Stupid black hole. The least it could've done was suck up those two frakkers. *sighs*
The Hoshi bits...*shakes* with fear of what they were meant to foreshadow...
I loved your analysis of the flashbacks and it made me feel better for not hating them (as most people seemed to). Still hoping they'll make more sense after next week...
...And I agree that I'd prefer to see Kara and hybrid-Sammy go down in a blaze of glory 'cause I don't want him to be a hybrid FOREVER! (still *clinging* to the possibility of SOMEONE restoring the resurrection tech so MY Sammy can reunite with HIS Kara and live (reasonably) happily ever after). (Like you, I have an addiction to parentheses!!!)
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But OTOH, it seems unlikely that Galactica's making it out of there, so Sam the Hybrid forever also seems unlikely (unless the ship stays on the edge of the singularity in which case time is a pretty slippery concept). But, I'm just going to try to take it as it comes at this point and try to not set myself up for any particular expectation.