But if the first ones were humans downloaded into new bodies, they would be able to claim evolution from the animals that gave rise to the humans they used to be.
Would they? Only their memories would be human; their bodies wouldn't be. And once they started having babies, those babies would only genetically go back to those founders artificial bodies, not human ones.
Or maybe they did at first claim they were human, but the humans said they weren't. And then they got thrown into exile and the Cylons said, "you know what? humans suck, and we don't want to be like them" and they passed that down. Or hell, maybe they forgot. They managed to lose resurrection, after all so I doubt their histories are all that great either (which makes Cavil's source of knowledge yet more dubious).
Cavil's assuming something, but then nobody in the Colonies seems to have any concept of a non-human who ISN'T also a machine. Which is really a major stumbling block for both humans and cylons -- they just don't have the vocabulary to talk about what the humanoid Cylons ARE so they get put in either a human or machine box, when they're really not either.
Anyway, about the last question: I think yeah, the Five would be respected as the makers, but since the Five knowingly gave them free will, no, I don't think they'd try to set themselves up as rulers of the Cylon regime or anything. I figure the idea of the consensus came from them, as did the majority rule addendum when the unanimity started to break down. So it probably would've ended up some kind of Consensus of Thirteen running things. Until they got added to the Colonies, and joined the Quorum...
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Date: 2009-06-20 04:38 am (UTC)Would they? Only their memories would be human; their bodies wouldn't be. And once they started having babies, those babies would only genetically go back to those founders artificial bodies, not human ones.
Or maybe they did at first claim they were human, but the humans said they weren't. And then they got thrown into exile and the Cylons said, "you know what? humans suck, and we don't want to be like them" and they passed that down. Or hell, maybe they forgot. They managed to lose resurrection, after all so I doubt their histories are all that great either (which makes Cavil's source of knowledge yet more dubious).
Cavil's assuming something, but then nobody in the Colonies seems to have any concept of a non-human who ISN'T also a machine. Which is really a major stumbling block for both humans and cylons -- they just don't have the vocabulary to talk about what the humanoid Cylons ARE so they get put in either a human or machine box, when they're really not either.
Anyway, about the last question: I think yeah, the Five would be respected as the makers, but since the Five knowingly gave them free will, no, I don't think they'd try to set themselves up as rulers of the Cylon regime or anything. I figure the idea of the consensus came from them, as did the majority rule addendum when the unanimity started to break down. So it probably would've ended up some kind of Consensus of Thirteen running things. Until they got added to the Colonies, and joined the Quorum...
EEEEEEEEEE PLAN. yes.